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Title: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 20, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
I'm looking into buying a jet boat. The boat is a 1982 Mariner 21ft with a 402 BBC and berkley pump. I havent found much about Mariner Jet Boats any information is appreciated. Also any specifics to look for/at when I go look at the boat.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: justsquirtin on June 20, 2011, 05:14:43 PM
donot know about this make-but things to look at-stringer condition=full stringer or 1/4 =full stringer will be stronger-but 1/4 will work also-i have both  and they work find=bottom of coarse=no patch spots-floor condition if it has it-soft spots and such-if carpeted-push down on all spots if it cannot be pulled up-try to stay away from 455 olds-i have nothing against them -they seem to have alot of oiling problems if the blocks have not had the oil modification done to them-i run both chevy and ford and =depends on what your intentions are for boat use-family/go fast/all around=

i would stay away from the tropical boats=hawaiians/beachcombers/and such=just my 02 cents=sanger/southwind/ rogers/eliminator/bahner/just to name a few are good boats=alot of boats have been splashed off of said mentioned boats=do alot of research after you decide what your  intentions are for the boat and go from there=please nobody take offense =this is just my opinion =we all have one-you can also give tom from jet boat performance a call and he can answer any question you might have about any boat=
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 20, 2011, 05:30:06 PM
A few pictures of the boat. I'm starting to think it's not a mariner the guy just has a mariner title which doesnt actually belong to this boat, probably not his fault just see that being a possibility as i've heard it happen before with old boats of all sorts.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: justsquirtin on June 20, 2011, 05:31:53 PM
our good friend on here =78 tahiti runs a tahiti day cruiser and is a great boat-he has alot of boat knowledge too-do your research
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: justsquirtin on June 20, 2011, 05:35:46 PM
that is a nice lookin boat=have never seen one with dual windshields before=ah its great to see different boats=you can research the vin number on the back right side in the upper corner -through the coast guard=post up the partial #s with the first letters and maybe we can identify-sweet lookin boat
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 20, 2011, 05:44:59 PM
Waiting to hear back from the guy to try to obtain an HIN and hopefully some numbers off the pump. I also already have a Nordic hull that was pushed with a 460 long story short machine shop screwed up on the heads and of coarse the motor blew up. The hull is complete with interior, lavorsi gauges etc, floor needs replaced but really just needs a motor. The boats been in the family since I can remmber and it's a cherry viturally flawless, So I was originally planning to either buy a long block or do something myself as far as building a 460 for the boat. Im sure there's a better section for 460/motor questions im new to the site and havent found quite everything yet. What stopped me from that build was I came across this boat looking for parts thought it was good looking and not too bad for the price.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 20, 2011, 06:29:52 PM
Is there a HIN on the transom?  The 402 is an easy swap to a 454 in you want more HP so that's a plus.
X2 on the stringers. Check the inside on the transom as well for delam as well.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: H20MOFO on June 20, 2011, 07:09:16 PM
Nice boat.....I was about to say it was a sleekcraft till I looked a little closer.  The deck looks sleekcraft from the front.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jetboatperformance on June 20, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Welcome to VJB , Nice  and unique boat, dig the little observer seat in the center , Nice lines and Like Kreg I think it resembles a Sleek craft But I confess I have never seen a hull completley like it , The Jet Looks to be a Dominator 12S (good Jet) ! Tom
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: "THE ADVOCATE" on June 20, 2011, 07:49:32 PM
If its a Sleek its got an SLE header on the hin. On an '82 it might be different though because of legal problems with AMF. Bowling bowls and jet boats, who would have thunk? If its a slick craft dont buy it, but she sure is pretty!
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: Sleek Freak on June 20, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
my 1982 21' Sleek with the split windshield, but its an open bow
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: David on June 20, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
my 1982 21' Sleek with the split windshield, but its an open bow
That is a great pic, thanks for sharing Sleek!!!
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 20, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
I'm still digging for info, he's on his way home from the East coast so it'll be tomorrow before I get an HIN if I even do. He says there's a tag on the left side next to the drivers seat that says Mariner.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 20, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
my 1982 21' Sleek with the split windshield, but its an open bow
That is a great picture. Where was that????
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: thompy on June 21, 2011, 06:58:32 AM
i saw one last week,  i think it was one bay,  really want to say it was a tahiti
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 21, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
More pictures. The boat is from what I can figure out a MARLIN does this sound accurate? Typed in Marlin and found a bunch of identical pictures to it..
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
Sounds about right. Looks like a Marlin Lunar in jet trim. Here's one that was on PB and some brochures I found.
(http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113646&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1303663194)
(http://www.performanceboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86140&d=1286143849)
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/wolfie1961/Marlin5a.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 21, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Marlin boats? Any info is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 02:44:16 PM
It all depends on what you want to do with it. If you're buying it to have fun with, just make sure all the rigging is functional and safe, the stringers have no delamination, the hull and deck have no cracks or holes and is structurally sound, and everything is mounted correctly. Back in the day there were some boats that were manufactured just to get them out the door and there were some problems with them. After 20-30+ years most of these boats have either had the bugs worked out, or are in the scrap heap.

If you're planning on making it a 90-100 MPH boat, I'd really look into it in more depth. Maybe look for a boat that was better set up for those speeds. Most of the boats were manufactured as family fun boats and not meant for those types of speed.

This is just my 2cts. There are others here more qualified to answer this than I am, but again, it's all based on what you want to do with it.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: Sleek Freak on June 21, 2011, 04:40:55 PM
Wolfie that picture was taken at Willard Bay.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 05:05:48 PM
Wolfie that picture was taken at Willard Bay.
That's a great picture!
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 21, 2011, 05:34:34 PM
I'm looking for a boat thats at the most reliable, i want the over transom headers etc. I like this boat because it's 21ft and it's of the better looking of the few I have found within distance I want to travel. Most i'd ever look to get out of the boat is 65mph, just looking for something fun for my friends and I to take out on the weekends and have a good time, and like I said something solid and reliable.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 07:51:43 PM
I'd check it out then. If it's solid and will do what you want, then there you go. O/T headers are very plentiful used if you're looking at a tight budget.
The main key is if it's solid. If there's no delam, and the stringers and transom look good, and the interior is clean enough to live with, and the price is right, it could be a good boat for you.
65 isn't out of the realm of most boats like that. You may have to put some money into the engine depending on how stock it is.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: "THE ADVOCATE" on June 21, 2011, 08:06:21 PM
   Once again, looks like a pretty boat! I kept my TT headers(through transom) because of my kids and friends climbing in and out of the boat. And dont hold yourself back in the future, you might want to go FASTER!!!
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
I just looked at the picture again. It looks like it has a nice set of twisties on it already.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: jet_the_boat on June 21, 2011, 08:30:44 PM
I have a good feeling I can pick it up for around $3000. Clear titles to the boat and trailer turn key ready to go. When you say look for delam I don't know what that is?

Other than the transom and hull any other key points to look at? Other than obvious cracks and patch spots/bodywork, soft floor etc anything else that's an ultimate no go?

Also what to look for if there stress cracks?
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: "THE ADVOCATE" on June 21, 2011, 08:37:46 PM
Your last post described delam perfectly!!!!!
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: David on June 21, 2011, 08:42:17 PM
When you say look for delam I don't know what that is?

Also what to look for if there stress cracks?
De-lamination is when a layer of fiberglass is separating from the surface it's attached to.
Stress cracks are cracks in the gelcoat.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 08:49:29 PM
There will always be some sort of a stress crack. Anytime you have any torsional movement of the boat, it'll cause some sort of stress cracking. Hitting waves, ect. Deep stress cracks and cracks in the hull will cause you the most problems.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: Sleek Freak on June 21, 2011, 09:10:03 PM
when buying a turn key boat always inspect it and it don't hurt to bring a friend with knowledge to see things you may over look.
 then have the seller take you out and run the boat ( even if you have to pay a little gas money).  if the seller knows you have the money and still wont take you out walk away from the deal.         just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Help with a vjb
Post by: wolfie on June 21, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
when buying a turn key boat always inspect it and it don't hurt to bring a friend with knowledge to see things you may over look.
 then have the seller take you out and run the boat ( even if you have to pay a little gas money).  if the seller knows you have the money and still wont take you out walk away from the deal.         just my 2 cents.

X2 on the test run. Don't buy from anyone who won't take you out for a test run!!!